Maybe the Ducati Wasn't Better Than the Competition? - Page 4 - TheYellowCommunity.com - Valentino Rossi

Jrcambs · 13.01.2008, 16:55

I was steering clear of this thread for a while as I could see it becoming a little unpleasant but thankfully it hasn't.

I really do think that Stoner has an immense amount of skill and is someone to watch. In many ways it is a real shame for him that things went so well for him on the Ducati and so badly for Vale, the Yamaha and the Michelin's in the last season because he will never be allowed to take the amount of credit for his World Championship that may well be due to him.
The only way you could ever say that Stoner was better than Vale or vice versa would be if they had been on identical bikes - it didn't happen that way so we cannot make the comparison - but KC is WC.

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Originally Posted by Rawr

Absolutely, that's why Capirossi came 2nd, Barros came 3rd and Hoffman came 4th.

Very good point and it shows that KC really is a force to be reckoned with - in the same way that you can look at how well Vale did compared to the other Yamaha riders and those using Michelins - only Dani was close and he has heaps of talent, too. But from that you cannot tell if it was the Ducati/Bridgestone combination making the difference or the rider, or a combination of the 2.

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Originally Posted by THE FAN

i think we r all comin back to square one here....Dnt tell me we have a problem in accepting Stoner as a champion...ok the duke did make the difference...but the kid iz good and the package was just too good. If Vale didnt have all those problems last year i truely belive that he would have won it....but it wouldnt have been easy....coz the bloody package was that good. let the kid have 2007....i think we should b doin what Vale is doin right now....lookin towards Qatar....Pay Back time....

Again, I agree - it is a shame really as we could really have done with some good racing last year - not just between Vale and KC but with Dani up there with them as well. Hopefully things will be better in the coming season and, yes, we really should be looking forwards, not back.

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Originally Posted by velo46

Well, Stoner did make a huge improvment in terms that he actually stayed on the bike in most of the races (if I remember corectly he was pretty much in KO mode in 2006.), but in a fact it was the Ducati that made it all possible (the machine really clicked perfectly and was supported with great tires).
He cannot of course be compared to Vale, because he simply hasn't earned that yet.

You put a deceant bike under that 46 and we're back in business

, and Stoner will have to take his place in the long line along with the rest of them

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Yes, true, thinks clicked very well for Stoner but we must not let that take away from his obvious talent. He made the right decision in riding the Ducati and things were right for him - that does not mean he does not still deserve the WC. Perhaps Vale was wrong in staying at Yamaha, should have gone to Ducati. It is all supposition and worthless.

I can't wait to see what the coming year brings but, as a Vale fan I hope it goes much better for him than last year.
I also hope that we do not get one rider with all the luck, even if it is Vale, as another year like the last will destroy the sport.

Giselev · 14.01.2008, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Rawr

So basically Stoner rode the GP7 better than Capirossi and won more races?

His bike rode him better than Capis' one did!

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Originally Posted by Ivonnsche

Well, you did hear KC's name in 2006 but mainly as in: "And he crashed out of the race again!"

I absolutely agree, Velo! And the bike also only have to be halfway decent and competible, the other 50% Vale can make up with his riding skills (although I'd obviously preferred the bike to be 100% and him having it easier next year

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About KC's name: exactly!
and Vale doesn't need the best bike on track he just need a competitive one! The rest is up to him

!

Gi

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Originally Posted by Jrcambs

I really do think that Stoner has an immense amount of skill and is someone to watch. In many ways it is a real shame for him that things went so well for him on the Ducati and so badly for Vale, the Yamaha and the Michelin's in the last season because he will never be allowed to take the amount of credit for his World Championship that may well be due to him.
The only way you could ever say that Stoner was better than Vale or vice versa would be if they had been on identical bikes - it didn't happen that way so we cannot make the comparison - but KC is WC.

Thanks Jackie!

Gi

Sheri · 16.01.2008, 22:22

My husband broke it down for me....

Casey didn't make any mistakes and he was very fast and he WON races. End of debate.

Give the man his WC......(dohhhhhh it's so hard to let go of!

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BUT we can all agree that Valentino is far more entertaining and exciting as a World Champion than Casey.....

Aussie YZF R6 · 19.01.2008, 14:24

Well time will tell and we can only wait and see how this all unfolds.

Alessandra · 19.01.2008, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Angela O

It's because the Ducati is better suited to the riding style of the 250cc bike riders....Loris and Marco have been riding at MotoGP level for too long to be able to forget all that they have learned about riding these bigger bikes. Casey on the other hand had only rode in the MotoGP class for a single year before he tried his hand at the new Ducati 800cc and so was easier for him to revert back to his older riding style of the 250cc's.
I think Lorenzo would have done wonderfully on the new Ducati, but as he's signed with Yamaha we'll not get to find out - well not in the near future anyway.

Agree, Anglea, absolutely!

It's not in talent bbut in riding style... KC had all his 250 cc class' tricks fresh
in memory, so it was easier for him to get suited to it, then Marco.
I'm sure that when Marco adopts to his new Duke he'll perform brilliantly and KC
will appear in his shadow...

Aussie YZF R6 · 19.01.2008, 22:42

Well Jorge said in his interview on MotoGP that the 250 and MotoGP bikes are different and that you need to brake later and get on the throttle earlier. So I don't know about it being better for the 250 riders. Vale was a 250 rider too!