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Default 28.12.2007, 19:58

MotoGP To Rein In Traction Control?
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Friday, December 28, 2007 Now that the threat of a single tire manufacturer servicing the entire grid has passed, MotoGP bosses are moving on to the next technical issue on their to-do list: traction control and engine management systems.


As has been stated here before, if not because of his accomplishments and capabilities then certainly by virtue of his fan base, Valentino Rossi runs MotoGP racing. Millions tune in or attend races every MotoGP season to watch the 28-year old Rossi. With that fan base comes power; thus, when Rossi's not happy, the MotoGP overlords are not happy.


It's nice work if you can get it. When Rossi is unhappy with something, he utters a thinly-veiled threat like 'this is not racing, and if it is, then I prefer to do something else'. The 'prefer to do something else' declaration makes MotoGP nearly swallow their tongue in fear, and then suddenly his concerns become their concerns.


Rossi was behind the move to get the MotoGP grid on a single Bridgestone "control tire", a situation which ended in him getting on the previously thought to be closed Bridgestone tire allotment list.


At the end of the '07 MotoGP season Rossi was critical of (or heaped praise upon, depending on your perspective) Ducati's traction control and or engine management system, saying that the newest versions of the traction control system had removed the human element from a racer controlling acceleration and traction.


If you've been paying attention, the next shoe to drop wasn't a surprise. MotoGP head Carmelo Ezpeleta said just before Christmas that combating traction control was next on their list and in a perfect (future) world the entire MotoGP grid would be on a single ECU, which would--presumably--make traction control a moot point.


However, with so many nuances in MotoGP engine configurations in (Big bang in-line four ala Yamaha, Screamer V-4 as used in the Ducati and a conventional V-4 in the Honda, etc) a single ECU for them all sounds like a potential technical nightmare.


How this would all work will be interesting to watch and if successful will fly in the face of so many experts who said traction control in motorcycle racing had to be rubber-stamp accepted because there was simply "no stopping it".


The single known quantity in all of this is what MotoGP is going to do: that is exactly what Rossi wants them to do.




haha..

who rules moto gp?? --> we do!

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Default 28.12.2007, 20:42

We are the champions! We are the champions! of the world!

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Default 28.12.2007, 23:31

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haha..

who rules moto gp?? --> we do!
Thanks for the article Staind - and yes! Looks like we have so much influence!
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Default 29.12.2007, 00:43

Only a Casey Stoner fan would enjoy last years races.

I'm a fan of ALOT of the riders, and i found the entire year (apart from the 125's AND the eventual Rossi/Pedrosa/Stoner dog fight at ONE race) pretty boring.

One bike leading by 10 seconds and the rest like the cows coming home is not racing, it's groundhog day.

I just want some close races back, this year was ridiculous !

Or bring back the 990's
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Default 29.12.2007, 03:37

oh sooooo true!!!
im feeling really good right now about 2008 season.. there's so much more to come..
cant wait for it to start!!! but now, vale and the yamaha and b'stone need all the time they need... wooohooo!


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1.3 The Paddock
1.3.4 When the Paddock is occupied there must be an adequate medical and fire fighting service available to all riders, teams, manufacturers, sponsors, service companies, officials, FIM, Dorna, IRTA, etc.
At minimum the services must be available from 08.00 - 18.00hrs on the two days prior to the "setting up of teams day", and on a 24 hour basis for the remainder of the event, ending at midnight on the day after race day.

1.15 Practice
1.15.1 Practice Restrictions
1.15.1.3 Tyre company testing

a) Tyre manufacturers that supply tyres to the MotoGP class may, prior to the first event of each year, designate and inform the Race Direction of one Grand Prix circuit as their testing circuit at which they may practice during the season and during the breaks with MotoGP class machines during a maximum of 4 days or part thereof, but not with riders designated by teams and not prior to the event that takes place at that circuit.
b) If requested by any tyre manufacturer supplying tyres to the MotoGP class then a 2 day test must be organised, but not with riders designated by teams, at least four weeks before any event scheduled for a Grand Prix circuit that was not in the Championship of the previous year or that, in the opinion of the Grand Prix Commission, has been substantially resurfaced since the previous event at that circuit.

1.18 Start Procedure

7)MotoGP riders may use a generator to power tyre warmers on the grid. Only one generator per machine may be used. The generator must be of the "hand carried" type and have a maximum output capacity of two kilowatts.
17)The spare machine may remain inside the pit box until such time as it is used in the race, but any exchange of machine must be made in the pit lane.

1.21 Behaviour During Practice and Race

8) Riders may enter the pits during the race, but taking the motorcycle inside the pit box is not permitted. In the MotoGP class, in the case of an exchange of machine during a race (Art. 1.18.17), if a machine that has been active in the race enters the pit box, this machine is deemed to be retired and may not be used again in the race.

Refuelling is strictly prohibited. Any infringement of this rule will be penalised with a disqualification.

17) If the winning rider wishes to parade a flag, he must ride to the side of the racing surface to collect the flag and then rejoin the circuit when it is safe to do so.

Technical Regulations

2.2 Classes

MotoGP Up to 800cc - Unlimited cylinders

2.3 Engines

2.3.1 Engines may operate on the two stroke or four stroke principal only. For MotoGP, only 4 stroke engines are permitted. The normal section of each engine cylinder and piston in plan view must be circular. Circular section cylinders & pistons are defined as having less than 5% difference in the diameter measured at any two points.

2.6 Fuel Tanks

2.6.2 Fuel tank breather pipes must include a non-return valve. Fuel tank breather pipes must discharge into a suitable container, one per motorcycle with a minimum capacity of 200cc and a maximum capacity of 250cc.
2.6.5 The fuel tank capacities for MotoGP prototype motorcycles is maximum 21 litres.
2.6.6 Refuelling may only be carried out from an unpressurised container, and the motorcycle fuel tank may not be artificially pressurised above atmospheric pressure at any time. It is allowed to vent the fuel tank to the atmosphere via the airbox in order to equalise pressure in the airbox and fuel tank.

2.7 Safety and Construction Criteria

2.7.2.3. Stops must be fitted to ensure a clearance of at least 30mm between the handlebar and the fuel tank frame and/or bodywork when at the extremes of steering lock.

2.7.7 Bodywork

2.7.7.6 The seat unit shall have a maximum height of the (approximately) vertical section behind the rider's seating position of 150mm. The measurement will be taken at a 90ø angle to the upper surface of the flat base at the rider's seating position, excluding any seat pad or covering. Any on-board camera/antenna mounted on the seat unit is not included in this measurement.
2.7.7.7 Mudguards are not compulsory. When fitted, front mudguards must not extend:
a. In front of a line drawn upwards and forwards at 45 degrees from a horizontal line through the front wheel spindle. b. Below a line drawn horizontally and to the rear of the front wheel spindle. The mudguard mounts/brackets and fork-leg covers, close to the suspension leg and wheel spindle, and brake disc covers are not considered part of the mudguard.

2.9 Tyre restrictions for MotoGP

2.9.7 In the unlikely event of a tyre being accidentally damaged before it is used (for example during the fitting process) and deemed to be unusable by the Technical Director, it may be replaced with a tyre of the same specification with the permission of the Technical Director. Such replacement tyres will be marked and included in the allocation of the rider concerned. The damaged tyre will be removed from the allocation and may not be allocated again.

2.10 Numbers and Backgrounds

2.10.3 In the 125cc and 250cc classes, the main body of the number must be of a single colour which is distinctive and strongly contrasts with the background colour.

Disciplinary and Arbitration Code

3.4.1 Right of protest

Any natural or juridical person rider, team, manufacturer, official etc. - affected by a decision taken under the authority of the FIM, has the right to protest against that decision.
No protest may be lodged against a statement of fact of the Race Direction entailing or not:
- a change of position.
- a ride through.
- a disqualification from the practice sessions or races by means of a black flag or black flag with orange disc.
- a fine for speeding in the pit lane.
No protest may be lodged against a statement of fact of the Race Direction based on a photo finish.

3.4.3 Procedure and time limit for protests

All protests must be submitted and signed only by the person directly concerned. Each protest must refer to a single subject only and must be presented within 1 hour at the latest after the publication of the results or the notification of a Race Direction decision. Protests must be handed to a responsible official (Clerk of the Course, Race Director or Secretary of the Meeting) together with the security deposit of USD 700.- or equivalent. Teams and riders contracted to compete in the Championship may submit a letter of guarantee from IRTA in lieu of payment.
A protest against the eligibility of a rider, team or a motorcycle entered, must be made before the start of the official practice.

why do they have all these little sections? they could just have one huge one called 'bull****'


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why do they have all these little sections? they could just have one huge one called 'bull****'

They don't want to be too much like F1!!


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Default 29.12.2007, 08:46

The rule of the rider & bike not entering the pitt garage makes sense though.

I bet biaggi tried that one !


(That one's for soopa)
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MotoGP To Rein In Traction Control?

At the end of the '07 MotoGP season Rossi was critical of (or heaped praise upon, depending on your perspective) Ducati's traction control and or engine management system, saying that the newest versions of the traction control system had removed the human element from a racer controlling acceleration and traction.

However, with so many nuances in MotoGP engine configurations in (Big bang in-line four ala Yamaha, Screamer V-4 as used in the Ducati and a conventional V-4 in the Honda, etc) a single ECU for them all sounds like a potential technical nightmare.

How this would all work will be interesting to watch and if successful will fly in the face of so many experts who said traction control in motorcycle racing had to be rubber-stamp accepted because there was simply "no stopping it".

"no stopping it" what a load of bull! they're getting rid of it in F1 after having it for years! We need to make our very load voice heard on this one

NO TRACTION CONTROL!!


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"no stopping it" what a load of bull! they're getting rid of it in F1 after having it for years! We need to make our very load voice heard on this one

NO TRACTION CONTROL!!
I second that for sure!!

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