Petition against electronic aids for riders - Page 3 - TheYellowCommunity.com - Valentino Rossi

Soopa · 24.12.2007, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Han

First of all, yes i agree that racing circuits are tech testing grounds for further technlogies to be applied on street legal machines. There's no doubts that we have accept the evolution of technologies.

The problem arises when technologies, to be specific, electronic gadgets are the one to play the biggest part in winning or losing. That is when the sports loses it's appeal. Why nascar and oval track is still the center of attention of motorsports in U.S? It's because there is where the you can see the difference of boys and men. Gadgeteries are kept to the minimum in Nascar.

I'm not against development and i think no one here is against it too. It's just that control it so that it is still the rider that plays the role of winning. Don't let it be in such a way, the team with strong financial back ups will get all the electronic toys to play with and the rest are being handicapped.

For safety reason, yes, we are all for it but we want to see the most skillfull rider in terms of genuine ability to ride the bike to the max to come out the best at the end of the day

Anyway, soopa, thanks for the opinion because this is where healthy discussion can take us to a better understanding of the sports. Appreciate it.

MERRY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR

DID YOU JUST PLAY UP NASCAR!!!!?????!!!???!?????

hahahaha

rkt2hvn1 · 25.12.2007, 03:50

The only thing i really dont like about this is it takes more control away from the rider and puts the bike in more control ,i know you ride soopa so you should see where this is a problem, i will keep my old out dated technology on my ninja just so i can prove to the bigger bikes that my old 92 still has it ,when the bike controls what i do and not the other way around i will look at alternative forms of transportation ,beside it would never work in the real world becaseu eps does not take in account the mini van or the idiot on the cell phone that just pulled out in front of me im with everyone else give me old fasion rider 85 percent bike 15 that is riding ,that is racing one more thing think of it casey didnt win the world championship his bike did he was just along for the ride.

Han · 25.12.2007, 03:53

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Originally Posted by Soopa

DID YOU JUST PLAY UP NASCAR!!!!?????!!!???!?????

hahahaha

sorry soopa, i know you hate nascar but i was just trying to give an example of when machines are equally the same and the racers fighting for places. just like the world touring car and the V8 in australia. and knowing you from U.S, so that was the closest that i thought of.

MERRY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR

rkt2hvn1 · 25.12.2007, 04:13

sorry han i must correct you its not nascar it nascrap lol

Han · 29.12.2007, 17:42

Looks like there's no need for petition or whatsoever. They have thought of the idea to ban traction control. Glad that the fans of Moto GP has brought their attention to this matter.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Soopa · 29.12.2007, 19:43

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Originally Posted by rkt2hvn1

The only thing i really dont like about this is it takes more control away from the rider and puts the bike in more control ,i know you ride soopa so you should see where this is a problem, i will keep my old out dated technology on my ninja just so i can prove to the bigger bikes that my old 92 still has it ,when the bike controls what i do and not the other way around i will look at alternative forms of transportation ,beside it would never work in the real world becaseu eps does not take in account the mini van or the idiot on the cell phone that just pulled out in front of me im with everyone else give me old fasion rider 85 percent bike 15 that is riding ,that is racing one more thing think of it casey didnt win the world championship his bike did he was just along for the ride.

i know exactly what you mean. older bikes are the coolest for sure.

crys46 · 29.12.2007, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Alessandra

Bingo again - we're not AGAINST technical development but we're FOR
increasing pilots role in winning or loosing. And alas in our case this things
can't equally present in motoracing to my mind: you or turn into a cyber
pilot, or show all your skills with minimum electronics needed.
Bikes don't have to be turned into a toy - it's a tool, a tool of winning.
And all this gadgets...They vanish the clear-cut distinction between what
was achieved with natural talent and what - with all that el. stuff.

Just my point

i agree with u

**Angela O** · 23.01.2008, 18:55

If this has been already posted somewhere else today, please remove it....I haven't got enough time just yet to read through the rest of today's posts....I'm in a rush & have to go out now but thought I would post this up first before I did...

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Season 2008 - Riders to decide on future of electronics

Eurosport - Wed, 23 Jan 10:48:00 2008

Moto GP chief Carmelo Ezpeleta wants the riders to decide whether or not to ban electronic aids from next season onwards.
World champion Casey Stoner, who claimed last year's title on a Ducati choc-full of systems including traction control, believes aids are an essential part of the sport, while five-time title winner Valentino Rossi says the opposite.
The 2007 season was one of the least exciting championships in Moto GP history, with races such as those at Jerez, Brno and Misano providing little or no overtaking.
And electronics have been blamed for a detrimental effect on the sport by many critics, who cite them as making the bikes easier to ride.
Despite wanting to keep electronics in the sport himself - despite a detrimental effect on 'the show' - Ezpeleta said that he wanted a consensus decision from the riders before making any decision.
"I'm obviously not in favour of cancelling the amount of electronics, but for me personally, it's a matter for the riders," Ezpeleta told Motorcycle News.
"In my opinion, if the problem is to solve something just for the show, then I am not in. It doesn't matter to me if riders are overtaking each other, sideways or not.
"For me it's not a case of whether we have traction control or not. But if one traction control is better than the other, then it is up to the people who have the worst traction control to get better."
Ezpeleta is believed to want standard ECUs introduced.
But he denied it was simply to appease Yamaha rider Rossi - a man who has already succeeded in convincing Dorna to propose a single-tyre rule for this season in order to get Bridgestone to supply his rubber.
"I have a very good relationship with Rossi," Ezpeleta added. "But I don't agree with everything he says. I want to know what is the opinion of Casey, of Dani Pedrosa, Marco Melandri too."

Ivonnsche · 23.01.2008, 20:26

Angela, I don't think I have read the exact same article, but could be wrong also...
Thanks for posting. Interesting read.

Well, Ezpeleta would be a bit of a joke if he didn't listen to all the riders and then make a decision. Would be even more of a circus if one rider (and be it Valentino) could decide everything.
Yes, obviously it is good to keep the main attraction(s) happy but not to the cost of everybody else. Plus, I kinda like the fact that there are no major personal rivalries in the paddock. I bet this would change if decisions were made to suit one rider only.

Hmmm, not sure if my rambling makes sense

Just putting what comes to mind straight away...

Stella46 · 24.01.2008, 00:04

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Originally Posted by Angela O

Moto GP chief Carmelo Ezpeleta wants the riders to decide whether or not to ban electronic aids from next season onwards.
World champion Casey Stoner, who claimed last year's title on a Ducati choc-full of systems including traction control, believes aids are an essential part of the sport, while five-time title winner Valentino Rossi says the opposite.
The 2007 season was one of the least exciting championships in Moto GP history, with races such as those at Jerez, Brno and Misano providing little or no overtaking.

Yeah, and why would that be?! He won't be the one who wants to reduce the electronics to a minimum.. Thanks to that he became world champion (sorry, but that's still my opinion, he is a good rider but I don't think he would be no1 without them..)
Well, If the decision is up to the riders I hope more will think like Vale..
I want to see riderskills as the most important thing again. I watch MotoGP because of the ridingskills, the best riders wins, but I don't want to support electronics, they can aswell put some robots on the bikes in a while and have a competition between electronics-companies..
That there is a competition between tyres and engines and stuff is normal but I'd rather have these electronics reduced to a minimum and see some real racing again!