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Default 11.12.2007, 08:52

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I'm totally freaked out...

I've never payed any attention to the "big players" of motogp, or any of the politics that go on in it... actually, until now, well, since the implementation of the tyre rule... that was a hint... didn't really think much went on. Just wanted to make money, make sure the sport keeps growing...

But all this stuff is so creepy... And I so wish discretion wasn't needed... such a bore having to fill in between the lines from a position of ignorance...

So possibly VR's efforts this year about one tyre rule, bagging out Michelin and traction control, etc, his very own little war on the powers that be. Not coming out and SAYING like it is, exactly, but stirring things up nonetheless. He's a good boy, isn't he?

And it's worked. KC has a huge cloud over his WC for so very many....

In any sports, when the big players come in and play politics, that's when the sports will have problems. It's the same anywhere coz at the end of the day, the bottom line, someone is making money out of everything.
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Default 11.12.2007, 11:57

MAK,

I have been a long time reader of your posts.

Thank you for planting the seeds. I love your style.

Conspiracy theories are fun and true:-)
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Default 11.12.2007, 13:26

Im sure that when the season started Loris has exactly the same support as Stoner, maybe even more, after all Loris was Ducati's most likely championship contender.

After a few races it became clear that Stoner was a lot better on the 800 than Loris was, after this point then maybe Loris was not the main focus anymore, but they still built him custom engines and tinkered with all sorts to try help him. I really don't think there is any weight in that conspiracy theory.
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Default 11.12.2007, 21:08

I agree with tommm on this.When it became obvious which rider had the best chance to win the title the focus may have changed.SO WHAT.Every team will favor one rider over another when it's clear who has the best chance at success.On this forum there is a cloud over the last 2 champions for many people.The biggest reason for this is that neither one of them is named Rossi.Get over it already.No use crying over spilt milk.


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I agree with tommm on this.When it became obvious which rider had the best chance to win the title the focus may have changed.SO WHAT.Every team will favor one rider over another when it's clear who has the best chance at success.On this forum there is a cloud over the last 2 champions for many people.The biggest reason for this is that neither one of them is named Rossi.Get over it already.No use crying over spilt milk.
What i haven't spilt any milk not that i can remember anyway & i'm not crying either, I'm just looking forward to the new season, come on bring it on Vale Sorry just having a laugh & trying to lighten the mood up


Bring it on vale, Go kick arse
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Default 11.12.2007, 23:33

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Im sure that when the season started Loris has exactly the same support as Stoner, maybe even more, after all Loris was Ducati's most likely championship contender.

After a few races it became clear that Stoner was a lot better on the 800 than Loris was, after this point then maybe Loris was not the main focus anymore, but they still built him custom engines and tinkered with all sorts to try help him. I really don't think there is any weight in that conspiracy theory.
Personally I think I had so much troubles in Italy after 2 years of investigations, many direct evidences, some hearsay evidences, and a logic way to follow that let me know what I don't want listen before...

So I will answer anything, no more: wichever opinion all of you will have, it's the right opinion cause the way you follow and how much you had and have today your eyes open..

I wanna tell you something, maybe not so interesting, but I wish tell you...perhaps could help you or not. I wish you feel what is to stay inside races, not in front a television, but into the other side.


Speaking about another championship, a championship where money is close to null than motogp, I hope you know I was the manager of the female italian and european champion, Paola that I was proud to made her, in 2005,an official Ducati rider, the first female official rider.
In 2007 she changed from Ducati to Yamaha.

One of the first races, this year, in Vallelunga circuit, during free practice in friday, for the first time, suddenly, she had the fourth best lap.
Very strange on a track she likes and where she often had the pole position (as Ducati's rider). In qualify, saturday, she had the worst performance in last three years: almost two second worse than the pole (Nina Printz the new Ducati's rider).

The championship it's a small championship if we're thinking to Motogp: no big business, no important media services, we can still call it "sport".

But for Paola was impossible to explain the "debacle": her bike she felt ok, she was ok, but two second was an important gap, too much gap.

But why? In her team they couldn't understood.


Sunday at half of the warm up, all was the same as saturday...but a technician realized that the tyres on Paola's bike, from the code, they were maken in 2005, they were two years old.
The tyres in the championship are only from Dunlop.
So, the team yamaha, went to check Ducati's tyres: two months old...

Pratically, the tyres of Paola looked like two stones, cause they rested in the store for two years; vice versa the Ducati's tyres they were perfect.

The Yamaha team protested against Dunlop management at the truck. The right tyres becamed in Yamaha's box. Paola in the race was second with best lap and Ducati was third.

Do you think differently, that in the best competitions all the components moves randomly or equal? Inside or outside the same team, the same brand of bikes or tyres?
Do you think money rolls randomly?

If yes, you're "the glad" watching bike's races and you're waiting Santa Claus and Snow White come toghether at 24 night.


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Default 12.12.2007, 00:19

It's plain to see that everything is not equal in the MotoGP paddock, i'm not disputing that. What i'm arguing is this particular Capirossi / Ducati fall out, I really don't think there was any foul play in this instance.
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Default 12.12.2007, 13:45

I totally agree that it was probable that KC had to prove himself before Ducati put whatever powers that be at his disposal, to the detriment of Loris. But after the first couple of races... does it still stick that it was a level playing field?

And yeah, yeah, we all know KC is champion, blah blah, big deal. Bottom line is, though, we watched a very strange year unfold. Implemenation of a new class AND a new tyre rule. Strange to make so many changes at once. ANd I've been over Rossi not winning the title since about September...

What has been most important to me is that Rossi is still inarguably the best rider out there, and not winning WCs hasn't taken that away one tiny, little iota. Methinks the KC fans are the ones still crying over the spilt milk of a WC gained, but not tonnes of respect and admiration with it, and certainly not the accolade of best rider out there.

Anyway, where I'm a supporter of conspiratorial theory is how Valentino has acted this year. He certainly was a man on a mission with regards to getting stuff out in the media. Perhaps this is why he got his bridgestones... to quieten him up so he doesn't really let go and have a say about what's going on.

And MAK, the Paola tyre story is creepy. How do you ever give a racer two year old tyres? They shouldn't be anywhere near anything race related... let alone actually chosen. Mmmmmm. Pandora's Box....



It's taken one and a half racing seasons, but finally, Rossi has broken Stoner... and smashed him like a guitar!

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2007... it's still gonna get it's ass kicked!
2007... it's HISTORY!

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Default 12.12.2007, 19:45

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It's plain to see that everything is not equal in the MotoGP paddock, i'm not disputing that. What i'm arguing is this particular Capirossi / Ducati fall out, I really don't think there was any foul play in this instance.
Why not?
Cause Ducati is italian as Capirossi?

mmmm...money haven't this roll...


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Default 12.12.2007, 21:38

No, because Capirossi was Ducati's best chance of the title, probably could of won it in 2006 if not for injury, Stoner was a shot in the dark, he couldn't stay upright in 2006, I can't believe that they would put all their efforts behind Stoner and neglect Capirossi, at least in the first half of the season.
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