That's definitely very interesting to know thnx for that MAK!!!!

"So, Vale drives a computer that often can't understand "the genius"."

I dont know if that is a good or a bad thing

CiaoOo Marieke

Is bad Marieke, is bad..

Yes I know
I was only joking sorry for that
CiaoOo Marieke

I know what u mean!
and I thought the same!!

computer: "next, right turn please.."
vale: "no! we take the shortcut to the left..."
computer: "no u don't!"
vale: " yes I DO!!!"

Thank you, MAK. So...., truly we know who is the real champion



Team46

Poor, poor Valentino... no wonder he thinks about leaving Motogp now and then... fighting all the other riders and fighting his own bike.

It's another version of tall poppy syndrome! Someone's genius being dismantled and mediocrity allowed to rule...

BUt gawd, it sure says a lot about just how clever, just how brilliant Rossi truly is.

ANd obviously they need to get a computer programmer in to write a new set up so that the computer is learning from Rossi. If his choices are faster, the computer should be in a position to take note of that and add those choices to it's "memory" and from then on always choose that path.

Also, the worst part of all is overtaking on corners. SO a rider (especially Rossi who loves to do it) takes a completely different line on a corner in order to over or undertake another rider, and his bike is going to start tampering with power supply because the computer is saying "NO NO NO".
Sounds like the end of exciting passing and clever, original racing tactics.

Soooo, how many more years until motogp realise it's crap and get rid of it?
Hopefully not many. I don't like freddy no-names winning WCs...

ALSO,
it puts races like Catalunya into a really strange perspective. Rossi had to take original, strange trajectories into the turns in order to overtake Stoner. So for the duration of that race, or the last 10 laps, his bike would have been fighting him the whole time.

Also, I've always found it strange that KC, when overtaken by Rossi or Pedrosa, never had any fight back in him. (You know the races I mean - Assen, Estoril, Motegi, Sachsenring, even though it wasn't Rossi doing the overtaking) He's meant to be this great rider who deserves his WC, but I always thought, "they are passing you so easily, you have no answer, you have no immediate fightback... why not?" Obviously his traction control data was average and he hadn't managed to memorise the best trajectory...

And suddenly I can see why Loris has not had a great season on the ducati. Old dogs and new tricks! Stoner is young and hasn't got habits ingrained from years of racing. Loris, having been around for years... perhaps the whole idea of racing from memory of what the computer has told you to do, just hasn't gelled with him, he still goes out and just races as he feels at any given time, place, corner. That he had good results at the end of the year... perhaps he had finally learnt how to work with the computer and not against it.
And like I said. Stoner being one year off a rookie, hadn't developed much in the way of racing smarts so learning a new approach was easy for him.

I'm completely freaked out!

Thanks for the information, MAK.

Thanks for enlightening us with these inside info Mak. Its so sad to know that some people kept telling us it is Casey who RIDEs the bike, if he wins many races, he must be good.(well, even Casey himself thinks he's really better than the rest including Vale. and i felt so disgusted)

I THINK IT'S THE RIDER WHO DRIVES THE BIKE, ALWAYS.

Stoner he's not the last one on the grid.
But I said that in Motogp all the riders are very, very, very good and a little advantage can give you half second each lap.
Vale he's over, so the insiders think he is normally close to a second better than all the others.
If Vale has a disadvantage by the tyres ( and on this question I can write a book..it's better I don't write what I think about, really..) and KC had an advantage on electronic components, you can understand the gap it's great.
And Vale's talent can't narrow the entire gap.

Flamigni said about the strange data in M1 electronic box, they watched the first time in Welkom 2004, the first Gp of Valentino driving a Yamaha.
Do you remember? The fantastic victory over Biaggi.
But in the past the electronic parts of the bike were not so wide in driving.
Now the electronic must check all the bike.
What happened in Valencia during free practice (Vale's last crash) probably was due by a bug in the program and what happened in race (Vale's retired), too.
This is the proof that Yamaha-Marelli they are working on the electronic components.

Troy Corser, the two time WSBK champion and 500cc rider, said in a interview that thanks to traction control and other electronic rider aides, MotoGP bikes and Superbikes are much easier to ride than ever before, effectivley dumbing down the level of rider talent needed to control one.

"Anyone who can ride a bike can get on it, and between the telemetry and suspension guy they can set the bike up to suit him. There are riders in MotoGP now that never would have been able to ride the old GP bikes and still be walking. They would have had broken legs and stuff, but they can ride them now because they can be tamed with the electronics."

thank you MAK for all the information it's really interesting
CiaoOo Marieke