I totaly agree with you Maro!!!
So some of you guys that posted here are just his fans, when he's doing things you think he shoud do and in a way you think it's the right way to do them...at least that's the way I understand it after reading yous posts.

But we are entitled to different opinions, so I'll just say one more thing-I'm a Valentino Rossi fan!That means I believe in him and trust him to make the right decisions for him, not the ones I think he should do.If that means going to Ducati, so be it!Excellent!And on the other hand if he decides to stay with Yamaha, excellent as well!

Of course we can debate about his decisions and express our opinion, but you can't set ultimatums, at least not if you are supposed to be a real fan.

yeah, ok, i guess if winning is everything to you it would be ok for him to go to ducati. but if you expect me to watch him race for the people that messed Capirossi, you have got a big surprise coming. if Rossi simply looked past what ducati did to Cap and started racing for them i would be ashamed to have a Rossi poster in my room. thats a fact, jack.

Im no fan of Ducati and im not exactly thrilled about(Vale) Italian rider on Italian bike coz Loris had already done it. Personally i dont want Vale in Ducati becoz of Livio Suppo who's quite openly suggested Casey is better rider than Vale. However if Vale really wants to join Ducati,i reckon he must have more reason than just becoz its Italian.Maybe he wants to drive Casey crazy by saying all these now..

Of course winning isn't everything to me, but the point I was trying to make is that Vale will do what he thinks is best for him and I trust he will make the right decision for him.I agree, it sucks what they did to Loris, but I also think each person has to be a bit selfish and do what is primarily best for him.

And just for the record I also hate Livio!

Getting warm in here but I will just add my little bit.

If Vale wants to ride a Ducati in 2009 then I am happy with that - why shouldn't he? We have no idea what really went on with Capirossi - we will only ever know half the story. OK he may have been badly treated but Ducati have other things to think about than hurting people's feelings - this is a tough world and sometimes bad things happen. I would not expect Vale to rule out riding a Ducati just because of what happened with Loris - I would expect him to look at his options and make his own decisions.
I have not lost respect for Melandri who has taken his place - I congratulate him and hope he does well there.

Nor would I expect Vale to stay with Yamaha just out of loyalty - he cannot stay on the Yamaha if the bike does not improve - it is not his mission in life to make the Yamaha look better than it is just because he has such skills. He has given them their chance and made it clear - it they do not improve this year then it will be goodbye.

So, if it is not Yamaha next year then he should be free to decide who - if Ducati are still strong then he would be right to choose them. Personally I would prefer it if he didn't because I don't want to hear that he is winning just because of the bike, (but against Stoner he could then prove a thing or 2) but then I don't want to see him once more go for the underdog and watch him flog a dead horse for the rest of his career in MotoGP and leave the sport fed up and disillusioned.

As I have said before, I am a fan of Vale and I respect his decisions and wish him the best whatever path he decides to follow.

I agree with you on this one Jacky...i have a lot of faith in Valentino...and i will respect every decision he makes....if he goes to Ducati...i will cheer for him....to formula 1....i will cheer for him...to rallysport...i will cheer for him to!
He will always be my number 1..and i hope he always follows his own mind and hearth

I won't be this upset. But I just upset. what makes me upset is because by moving to Ducati feels like Rossi swallow his own words. Because it's clearly stated in "what if I had never tried it"... Rossi thinks Ducati are the same to Honda. And for that reason he didn't went to Ducati and finished the contract with Honda and moved to Yamaha. This what makes me upset. Man should never do this. He is our hero. Our idol. Our favorite rider. But he shouldn't do that just because after Yamaha fails him. Would be better if he move to another company after he get the world title back with Yamaha again. But Certainly not Ducati. Man should never break his promise. I feels Suzuki is quite good. Almost the same like Yamaha. The good thing is they never break during 2007 season.

Would he move to another company if in first or second year with yamaha right after honda he fails become world champion? Is it the reason why he extend his stay with Yamaha just because he won two world title with them and leave after being disappointed by Yamaha.

He become a living legend because he keep winning in Yamaha. By moving to Ducati would render people good impression to Vale less than before.

Part of it, I still believe it is Vale's fault. I have been watching MotoGP and followed all the news. Vale went to Rally, F1, etc while other riders doing some testing. This lowers team morale. Lower their spirit. Watching their rider where they rely on not SERIOUSLY doing his job.

I am his GREAT FAN. But I would not hesitate to criticise him if I think I need to. He is man. Mistake are common. Maybe I am wrong too. But I'll do what I think would be helpful for him.

I feel he is afraid now. Afraid of keep losing. Also losing confidence. But I believe my wife common eye (as non MotoGP fan). She feels Rossi is the best rider at the grid. But also she feels pity of Rossi condition. Let down by Michelin and Yamaha. Soon or later he will break. He is human. So it is good to see he moved to Bridgestone. But it is risky choice. But I think better than stays with Michelin.

Now it is really depend on Rossi. He breaks or he wins. Time will tell. I hope he is back on winning again.

[quote=Bikerpoodle46;161921]Rossi's turning into a bit of a drama queen!

In his book, he said he turned down going to Ducati because they were too much like Honda, only bothered about their bikes not the riders. Now he wants to move?

Rossi's no longer king, so now he's the queen? LOL Though he is at risk of talking about himself in the third person a little bit too much...
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Yes, Jr, too true, also to cause some tension in the house of Ducati, possibly, what with Livio and co having to come out and reflect that they wanted to sign VR and regret not getting him. Might annoy KC some more, too. Remind him that it's THEIR bike, not his.

Don't lose heart, riftan! The problem is, he has had to resort to using the media to fight his battle, because obviously it wasn't being heard in-house. That is, in meetings and discussions, Yamaha and Michelin haven't been listening. That he revealed that to be the case with Michelin once his bridgestone deal was announced/confirmed, shows that despite the media bashing, they still weren't getting it right. Likewise with Yamaha. That it's revealed that they justhaven't been bothered putting the resources into motogp in order to be competitive, unlike Honda, how else to shame them into doing the right thing if they don't listen to him privately? He has to make it public. He has to give them a fright. He has said repeatedly he'd love to finish his career with Yamaha. I think he means it. But it must get extremely tiring and frustrating when they are putting all their chances of success on their rider, but aren't seriously doing the design/engineering side of things that they're responsible for. And the team Valentino's got... they can only do what they can with what they're given... They aren't engine designers...


You could be a Jorge fan? On the Yamaha, on the michelins...

Really well said, Jr, I'm with you all the way. The whole Loris thing... bottom line is, he wasn't producing the results they wanted... like Yamaha aren't producing the results Rossi wants. And Honda had to swallow it when Rossi left... How would Sete be feeling watching Stoner do on a Duc what he would have killed to do... beat Rossi. And just as ruthlessly, Rossi will ditch Yamaha if they are a disappointment. If Nicky doesn't pull his finger out, it could be bye bye Nicky... That's motorsport. Too much money, time and effort is exended for there to be room for sentimentality. And Rossi puts his body on the line every week end he races. To do so for a lost cause... what seriously would be the point of it? ANd it would be demoralising having gone from being a WC to cannon fodder. I mean, it would seriously suck.

Dunno, Soopa, haven't read Rossi's book, but did he make a promise in it that he would never go to Ducati? By the sounds of things, he had to list reasons why he didn't sign... and he came up with quite a flimsy, very personal reason. And for all you know, perhaps Ducati, after hearing that, acknowledged it was a f**k up on their part and rue it and have said so to VR.
This is what all this talk that Rossi has brought up has allowed. By just throwing the idea out there, that he would be interested in Ducati, it's allowing all the different players on teh stage to think, digest, act. Yamaha to realise they will lose their magnificent rider if they persist in pottering around in motogp, Ducati to realise they may be able to sign someone they really wanted if they change their attitude a bit and look at their contracts and think about if and how they could sign VR up, the other factories to do the same and really ponder, how much do we want VR to ride for us? And what can we afford?
Seriously, what's wrong with a bit of intrigue?
I think you're right in feeling free to criticise him. You, like all his fans, have invested a portion of your life being his fan. And he isn't infallible. He is only human, he isn't utter perfection. He would be boring if he was. I like it that we can have a laugh at him now and then. But this is the thing. Does he have to sacrifice the rest of his career just because he once didn't want to go to Ducati? ALso, we don't know what Yamaha promised him when he signed with them. Perhaps they've failed him on many fronts... perhaps he's been betrayed by them. Therefore, why does he have to have undying loyalty to them? At the moment, they've shown they don't have undying loyalty towards him... JOrge is definitely a big declaration on Yam's part and their attitude to the future.
And at the end of your post, where you say about him sick of losing... I think that's what it all comes down to.
Oh, and your bit about Rossi farting around with F1 and Rally... you could be right. I read somewhere about someone thinking he'd dropped the ball a bit on the testing front. But then, surely he only did that stuff with Yamaha's approval? And as they seem very stubborn about their engine, perhaps extra testing would have been a waste of time? Also, Rossi's riding the Yamaha, and getting extra publicity the world over doing the F1 and rally stuff... Yam probably sold a few extra bikes... they were probably happy. LOL
Cheers

mmmm.....
everybody could have a mistake, that's human, even Vale's
if we consider our mistake, we can learn from it and maybe wouldn't do the same thing again
but if, we/everbody knows that's mistake, and we/someone still doing it, that's foolish...
the point is, follow what your heart's gonna tell... (they would tells a lie)

if he's really considered Ducati, it doesn't makes him swallow his word...'coz I think, he is know what's he's doing, if it is what Rossi really wanted to do...
maybe Ducati today is different from Ducati before he wrote his book.
that could be the reason he consider that...and if it's really happen, if we still have faith for him, we should respect and support him...and we'll found out later, if Rossi does a mistake or not?

that's our job to support him...even when he's down...and if a mistake, there would be a lesson to him and that makes him to be better person, better rider, as we belief on him, don't we?

So don't let this break our relationship, we should stay together to support him, he needs that now...that we still here for him...

[quote=Catty;162953]Yeah you got some right points. I see those problems from other point of view.